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My dad is 92 and she is 87 and on dialysis 3 days of the week outside of the home. Before my dad went into memory care (which is 5 blocks from his home) he had fallen 3 times. She didn’t give him his meds properly or attend to his hygiene. The house is not “baby proofed” at all. She thinks they will be fine alone overnight and on weekends.

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Havingyour parents in the same AL/MC facility may be the best option for both. My first job as a daughter is to provide my parents a safe environment and next to keep them together for a long as possible. Soon that will mean one is AL and one in MC in the same building. I'm not looking forward to that but I know it'll be safer for both of them.
I'm praying for you and your family as you navigate this difficult time.
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Thanks for your response. I want you to think about what you said, the house is not "baby proof". This says it's not going to be safe for Mom either. This is an opportunity for them to be together and have the same friends who could help her through the times when Dad should pass away. She's going to be depressed and need lots of support when the time comes, this way she won't be alone at all,in a familiar place with familiar faces. She needs to make it her new home and not have to go through the hassle of moving out later. It's going to be easier for her and you, as you're going to have enough on your hands with the property and finances. Twenty-four seven care is a nice thought but it's going to be too much for Mom to handle. Personally, I wouldn't want anyone invading my space after being so independent for years.
As their children,we told them, yes you can stay in your own home but it's impossible as we never foresaw the future of their health or safety. Being POA is having to do what's right for them,even if it hurts the whole family emotionally. You don't need calls from APS if something should happen to Mom.
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TheMiddle1, this reminds me of my parents. Back when my Dad had a heart attack and needed rehab, Mom said she could take care of Dad at home. Now, mind you they both were in their 90's. Mom said it was her job to take care of him.


Mom quickly found out that she wasn't able to help Dad up the stairs to the bedroom and bath. Thus, he had to sleep on the recliner in the living room, and Mom slept on the sofa. Physical therapy came to the house to help Dad, but Mom was not a happy camper when a young female therapist came to the door.


One thing I noticed was that my Mom thought I was still that 30 year old person with a ton of energy, instead of being a senior citizen myself. I had to quickly learn to say "sorry, I can't possibly do that".


If your Mom does take your Dad out of memory-care, and she finds it's more difficult than she thought, she may need to go on a waiting-list in order for him to return. That wait list could be for many months.
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Perhaps M’s dialysis group has turned into a club – she’s sticking it better than most. Perhaps her wish for D to come ‘home’ is also because she is now lonely at night. That’s a different angle to take?
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You are going to have to stand strong and say NO. That is a disaster waiting to happen.
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Please place them in the same facility.
Her doctor can order this care placement for her.

Best for both. imo.

If you have all options, you may not need to sell the house right away.
Insurance and financial planning may require that you state "She is returning to her home". Ask attorney about this.

Not sure, but doesn't confusion come with dialysis?
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Your M is on dialysis, which takes about half a day three times a week, “outside the home”. She is 87, so she is unlikely to get a kidney transplant. My experience is that people get very tired of the dialysis routine. Unless they expect a transplant, after about 3 years they give up, with death following. This happened just two weeks ago with a son living with a neighbor next door but one to us, and it’s not the first in my experience.

Ask M how she intends to manage dialysis, transport to and from the centre, and who will care for D while she is away for so long on half the weekdays – forever. This is totally unrealistic.
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TheMiddle1 17 hours ago
Thank you. She is not saying no care just not 24/7 care. She has been on dialysis for years and my dad just went into the memory care. She accepts the care during the day it is night and weekends that she is saying she doesn’t need. But you are 100% right. She needs it. She really needs someone there all the time thanks again.
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You don’t live one finger to help her. No phone calls. No strategy. Don’t even discuss it with her. If she is going to do this, she is going to do this all on her own.
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southernwave 20 hours ago
Just saw you have POA so the answer is stop discussing this with her. The answer is no and she has not other choice or options.

No.
No.
No.
No.

Get it? The answer is no with no discussion
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I'm sorry that you're stuck in this position but you don't have any options. Mom isn't there,if she were, she wouldn't even think of endangering her husband by bringing him home. You could get in serious trouble with adult protection services if you remove him. Mom needs to realize that she either goes to him or she's on her own. She would be better off being cared for too. I'm curious, what does Dad think about it? Is she getting him agitated about coming home? Is he wanting to and it's not possible? Maybe she should be dropped off for a visit and you can arrange for her to stay? Make an appointment with the facility and discuss it with them. Seems Mom is frightened and needs Dad for security.
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TheMiddle1 20 hours ago
Thanks. A lot of good questions. She definitely doesn’t want to be alone all the time but she goes to see him (he’s 5 blocks away) at least twice a week and she also has a little help at home every day. She also goes to dialysis 3 days a week. She’s busy. He doesn’t really know what’s up but I don’t know what she tells him because I am not there when she is. I got 3-4 times a week to see him. I am just wanting her to accept the 24/7 care at home for them both or leave him where he is.
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No, you don't move dad back home. One thing I notice about the older generation, is that they are sometimes stuck in a time warp. They are remembering the way things were before they got older.

People are living way longer than they did years ago. I've taken care of people well into their nineties pushing into their hundreds. The question is though, are they living a quality of life. Family members are miserable and frustrated with these situations. The elder is stubborn and wanting things their way. Truth of the matter is that they no longer get to dictate who goes where.
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TheMiddle1 20 hours ago
Thank you.
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As POA for both of them, the answer is no to dad moving home. Period. Your mother is cognitively impaired if she's even asking for such a thing. As POA, it's your obligation to keep them safe and rooted in reality, not to be their yes-man.

Best of luck to you.
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When I first read your post, I was thinking what is the question here? Because of course you are not going to help dad move home.

But I realize that you have the same problem I suffer from which is that if you were an obedient child it is very hard to not feel like our parents have this authority over us. So even if with all my mature judgment I know that dad is in the right place, once mommy says I want your dad to come home, all of these internal machinations get set in motion. And there is this basic desire deep deep down that makes us want to make them happy and please them.

Your mom is so fortunate. She has two loving children and her husband is close to her house where she can visit regularly. You are doing a great job.
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TheMiddle1 23 hours ago
Thank you and that is very true. I battle with that all the time. There is also the issue of marital rights. Isn’t there?
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Is there an assisted living community which would meet both their needs, so they could live together and still get help?
I understand she misses having her husband home. I would too. However, it is not feasible for him to be at home now, with her not able to take care of him.

Can they afford to hire 24 hour live-in care? or shifts of caregivers to give 24 hour coverage? That is the only way she could consider having him home with her. And that is not ideal. They could get lucky and find really good caregivers, and it could work out. But, your father is in the safest and best place now.
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TheMiddle1 23 hours ago
thank you. Great questions. We are lucky to able to have all the options. The issue is not accessibility but rather willingness. She does not want to move to where he is - though she can. She does not want 24/7 in her home - though she is able to have it. She wants him home and have care during the day during the week.
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Of course your father needs to be where he is. It sounds your mother shouldn't live alone now either. I think it is time to think about that.
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TheMiddle1 23 hours ago
Thank you and yes but just as she refuses care for him, she does the same for herself. I have told her that 1000 times
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I think with your Moms age and that she is on dyalisis, that her mind may be effected. The toxins in her blood maybe the problem. There is no way she is thinking logically. I would be upfront with her, there is no way in her condition she can take care of Dad. And you refuse to do the caring because he is 24/7 care and you are not trained or able to do that kind of care. If Mom is 92, you are a Senior too.
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TheMiddle1 23 hours ago
Thank you. That’s a good point. I am definitely seeing that her judgment is clouded although to be honest she has always been like that to some extent. I am not a senior but I am raising kids and work multiple jobs. I cannot care for him or her.
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"She thinks they will be fine alone overnight and on weekends."

They'll be fine until they die, which, under that plan, may be very soon.

Try making a list of everything that would have to be done (1) during the overnight time period and (2) on weekends. Every. Last. Thing. It will be a lot. Also list Every. Last. Thing. that she expects YOU to do. Decide if you can do them. Ask her, since you can't do this one or that one, who she expects to do it. YOU be firm and make it very clear that YOU aren't up to it. (The care of dad alone is not even something you can do. If he's in memory care, he needs much more care than he could get at home.) Then ask mom who is going to do all those things? Will she hire help and supervise them? No, she can't. SHE will cry and accuse and insist that she needs no help so why are you having this discussion, and then you go home.

The only way I can see to impress upon mom that her plan won't work is for her doctor(s) to prescribe that she MUST go to long-term care. Because that's what needs to happen. Have a serious talk with the doctors. If you're not your parents' MPOA, write notes to the doctors - urgent ones that describe the whole scope of the problem - which they will read and consider. Also refuse to be involved in any home care, period.

Sadly, your mom has become unrealistic and irrational. She isn't capable of making decisions for herself or dad. She should be tested to find out what her cognitive issues are, and then you can move on from there to decide on a long-term plan. I wish you the best of luck in a difficult situation.
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TheMiddle1 23 hours ago
Thank you. That is very helpful. She has always been unrealistic and done what she wants. I am both of their POAs with my brother. Again, thanks for the suggestions. Much appreciated.
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Who is the PoA for your Dad? Is it her? If so, you will need to prove that she is too impaired to make decisions.

If not, and he doesn't have a PoA, then you will need to talk to the facility to make sure they know he is an "unsafe discharge" and that you will not be overseeing the home care.

Do not help or enable him to go back home even if she asks you (or any other person she may contact). Make sure other family members know not to intervene, or respond to her, including their friends and neighbors. If she somehow manages to get him home, report them to APS and keep reporting them. If either of them winds up in the ER, go there and talk to the discharge planner and tell them he or she is an "unsafe discharge" and that no one is willing/able to manage their care at home. Then ask to talk to a hospital social worker about transitioning either one of them directly into a facility.

If you or anyone helps them, APS won't be able to know how bad it is so that they can intervene sooner rather than later.
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TheMiddle1 23 hours ago
Thank you. Very helpful
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