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HI Janice, welcome to the Forum. I sometimes think the same about leaving my mom and going out. I am quite picky when it comes to the care of my mom. In my opinion no one will care for her like I do, but just think if we did not have the help, it may not be perfect, but picture doing it alone. I think about it every so often and although difficult I try not complain so much. I really do not know how people on this site do it alone and keep their sanity.
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daddysfavorite Dec 2020
Thank you, Earlybird, for reminding me that
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To all the new people that have found this wonderful forum....WELCOME!!!!
please stop by to vent, ask questions,etc. there are a lot of wise women and men here who have walked the walk and most give such awesome advice.
blessings to all who walk this caregivers path!!!!
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Thank you Maria for sharing! You really just made me laugh and feel not alone! I am so grateful I found this site! I would love and will share my situation but, for now I was just asked the usual 5pm-ish...question. "So, are you going to find a good movie???" Now (2minutes later), I just got a "Okay I'm ready for a movie" BTW, she can clearly see I am typing on the computer. But hey, who am I? She wants to watch a movie! Thanks for letting me vent, I shall return tomorrow!
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What bothers me most about caregiving is realizing this may be my life too in not all that many years. I hope that before those days arrive I'll be able to forget the pain and sadness of this time and enjoy retirement with my husband and family.

Heck, I was able to forget labor and childbirth enough to have two more kids, so I'll hope it works the same way. ;-)
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Lazy, entitled brother. Expects to do no work and expects me to be a slave to him and my elderly parents.
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Nazdrovia Mar 2021
Why are you looking after your brother?? Besides being lazy and entitled, is he mentally or physically challenged? Does he work, do you work??
If he doesn't, tell him to get a life and p***off.
Are you POA for your elderly parents.? Sorry about all the questions but its one thing to be saddled looking after them but not your brother who clearly does nothing to help you.
The reason I'm angry about your plight is, because I'm angry with my siblings who do bugger all to help me with my father, and just give useless platitudes that do nothing to solve the situation. I don't know your circumstances but I feel terrible for you.
Please look after you. 🙏
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He makes things difficult for himself, and then gets frustrated.
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The obliviousness, and the evasiveness when she doesn't want to do something.
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what bothers me the most? narcissism.

there’s no solution to that — they never change. the attacks, abuse never stops; on the contrary, might get worse with time.

they feel good, when they attack verbally, blame/criticize/invent/lie about things to criticize. they know they’re wrong. they know very well they’re the problem, and not sweet, kind you. but they enjoy it: putting you down, trying to destroy you.

there are things that can’t be done without the cooperation of the abuser, where contact is necessary: hence, low contact/no contact isn’t possible.

they want to make you miserable.

they target you, but treat others well.

it’s evil.

it takes days/weeks to recover from verbal attacks. by then you’re damaged, and there’s been a new verbal attack.

don’t let them “win”. for them, this is about “winning”, trampling on you, seeing you sad/mad, etc.

they’re sadistic.

if you can somehow still smile, flourish under such
circumstances...

i wish us courage, strength, hope and good solutions to our various situations!

hug!!
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Jackson009 Jan 2021
I can relate to some of this. Treating you one way and then being overly kind to someone else who stops by to visit. When you do everything for them and nothing is ever good enough. Don't understand it much but it is what it is.
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Being blamed for his forgetfulness. if I had explained it better. If I was clearer. If I put it in the right place. Etc. He isn’t I’ll with Alzheimers- I am at fault. Ugh
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When you need to care for them AT THAT TIME just do it over objections. Be nice and jolly them along, but you have to have some order in your life. Prepare everything for the task and then in they go, up they go, etc. With Alzheimers it is a bit different. Google Senior Assistance groups or United Way in your area for resources and ideas. We have a program called Viste' that take donations of medical equipment, etc. and pass it on after sterilization or they help with finding a resource. As for a NPD walk away, leave the area. Make them call for you and ask you for help. They start with snippy comments repeat. Only wait longer before coming back. Give THEM a time out if it's safe to do so. Wear music headphones to drown them out with peaceful music. With COVID it would be hard to cosign them to a facility near you.
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Families expectation that we do the care because we are retired... going thru this now with husband’s family. So glad I was in the email list , email list comes out how 1 day a week they could save $400 then, an hour later , suggested 2 days a week. I had previously stated we would not be able to help with committed time. 2 times in fact ... i put my foot down
NO NO NO

a previous suggestion was someone take a week, the other the next, meaning every other week, and talking moving in.

i know this isn’t much but I have read here over and over and over what happens , I am thankful for the knowledge here.
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The constant hatefulness and bickering among themselves. I am taking care of two family members in one house where they both grew up and, as if it isn't hard enough to give up my own home and life an hour away and force my young child to do the same, now I have to hear the incessant negativity on a daily basis. I have been there over a year and the work itself is not the problem. I would do anything for them. But they are acting like children and talking to them about it is not working. Am so tired of the hostile environment! Have no internet, no access to decent TV, I spend most of my 'free' time outside to keep my head clear. I am just a glorified housekeeper, since both are able, for the most part, to take care of themselves. Tried to get them access to emergency help with one of those necklaces to press the button for help when they are in need so I could get a bit of freedom, but all I got was a temper tantrum. So I am not in perfect circumstances, I get that, but a place to breathe would be nice.
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Shell38314 Jan 2021
You seriously need to find a place to be yourself & breath!!! I was in your shoes a few years back and like you, I had to go outside to clear my head and it didn't matter if it was a -10 outside. I knew I had to make some changes! I made my bedroom a place that I could relax and just breath!

I really hope you are able to find ways to help you not to just cope but flourish in. If not, you may have to re-think your circumstances and come up with a new strategy! Remember that you count too. Sometimes we forget in the midst of the storm that we matter too!

Sending you hugs!!!
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Hands down it is narcissism for me. A lifetime of manipulation and abuse combined with her wretched personality makes this the hardest thing I've ever done, because I don't like being around her, at all. Neither does anyone else, and NO WAY in this capacity that I'm dealing with now. But she legit needs help, so here we are.
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I hear you, piper - the lifetime of emotional and verbal abuse but they do need help. The decisions are not easy ones.
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Definitely the loss of freedom and no life outside of work and caregiving.
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1st: For me is no thank you from 4 siblings after my mother moved in with me.
2nd: My mother has taken over my life. She thinks I’m her sister, best friend, and thinks all my friends are hers now. She wants to go every where I go. She monopolizes all dinner conversations with my husband. She acts like she has been the one married to him for 43 years.
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Exsister Mar 2021
Oh this is so true for me too. Even if I just want to go for a walk my mother wants to walk with me. Before the pandemic she met some of my friends. She would always be nice to them for a few minutes, then she would suddenly get restless and want to leave. She always found fault with them. I think she wants me to have no friends.
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what constantly gets me is when someone meets my dad be it an OT or PT person, usually someone who only sees him once, or spends 15-20 minutes at a time with him and calls me to argue that am I sure he really has dementia. I feel I am always having to explain that yes, he really does. It’s harder to see when you don’t spent a lot of time with him and with COVID restrictions in CBRF’s/memory care facilities it’s even harder to see the signs and we can’t physically go inside to be with him.
Before all his health issues started for years I had been actively trying to dislocate myself from him and have better boundaries to protect my mental health. Now
I am his legal guardian. Yes, he has been evaluated multiple times. Yes, 5 physicians, 2 psychologists, and 2 judges all deemed him incapacitated. Would I rather my dad be able to live on his own and take care of himself heck yes! But those are not the cards that we were dealt. My relationship with my dad is definitely not perfect. It’s not even a good relationship. I’m not especially close to him for my own personal reasons but he’s my dad, and I wouldn’t abandon him. Especially when he needs someone to help him with these new challenges. It is what it is. I’m just trying to be the best advocate for him. He fights me constantly.
I just want to scream Tough S*#$ You’re stuck with me and it’s either me taking care of you or the state. Be thankful it’s me! I’m certain no matter where I placed him, no matter how nice it was he’d still complain about everything! Like the man didn’t give 2 poops about taking care of my mom’s and his house. Nor did he care about eating healthier or his health in general.
lastly I am a firm believer that it’s ok to dislocate yourself from unhealthy relationships, even if they’re your parents.
Thanks all! Spring is just around the corner! Gotta Keep Swimming!
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pBubblegum, I know exactly what you mean about your father. That's called 'showtiming'. It's when a person with dementia is still lucid enough to keep it together and put on an act for short periods of time like around medical professionals, different family members, or their friends.
It sounds to me like you have exactly the same relationship with your father that I have with my mother who I am caregiver to. The constant complaining and total misery all the time no matter what. It's only for us though. We're their whipping posts. They're nice as pie to everyone else. All the nasty, vicious, downright mean BS is saved for us. You know what else? I got treated like this all my life by my mother and you probably did too by your father. It's called being the family scapegoat. They take it out on someone and it's us. We're the family dumping ground. I find it to be an irony that most of the time we're the ones who end as their caregivers with all the responsibility of them put on us. Not on our siblings that they jumped through hoops for all their lives, but on the one they really couldn't care less about. Life can be a real pisser sometimes and don't people like us know it.
Many times in this group, I say that caregiving can only work if it's done on the caregiver's terms and not on the elderly parent's. You don't have to put up with as much as you think if you don't want to.
I asked several of my mother's numerous doctors and specialists (the list is like the Mayo Clinic up in here) if she has dementia. I had reason to ask. None of them think so. In fact, one of them took me aside and said he's seen in many seniors with total mental clarity, a kind of 'selective dementia' that's a piece of performance art for their family caregiver. An act like they don't understand and can't comprehend when it comes to something they simply don't want to do themselves. Like being put on hold during a telephone call. Or paying attention themselves to what the doctor is telling them during an appointment. Or getting themselves something to eat because they want to be waited on by you instead. I make my mother do for herself in the ways she's able to. She can't drive anymore and has some mobility issues so I help with things like this. I won't wait on hold with the insurance company for an hour to straighten out her coverage. She can still do that.
You're not alone in your situation. So many of us in this group are exactly where you are.
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There are many but loneliness is the worst. Everyone else is living life. I'm not able to plan anything. I miss my old life.
I feel guilty saying this but I'm glad I can get it out. This is my first post. Thank God I found you guys.
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When I look at pictures, I feel I miss life
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Gaslighting. My mother raises issues from the past and twists them to suit her own narrative, then attacks me for reminding her of the truth.
Example: yesterday Mum was praising my Cluster B sister for being such a good mother. I reminded her that the same sister stole money from her own kids (money we both gave them) and got a large sum from Mum. Mum responded by reminding me about the time my late father paid off my loan, and I reminded her that I paid him back, and she attacked me, asking "So are you saying you knew my husband better than I knew him?!" I reminded her she knew because I gave the repayments to her personally. I could see she remembered but was pretending not to. She changed subject to "the time you ran away with" (a guy, when I was young). I reminded her I did it to escape from the toxic atmosphere at home. She said we were all a happy family and totally minimised it. And the fight went on...in her head anyway. I just walked out of the room.
She made me Durable POA because she does not trust anyone else in the family with her finances but she resents me. When I say I am leaving after the pandemic lockdown, she cries and says she will not be able to manage without me, will be robbed by my sisters and bullied by them...
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Oh, that sounds AWFUL! Sending love, Exsister!
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When they don't think that they can do more for themselves than they actually can. When they will not try the other key at the door but instead claim it doesn't work although the key fits in the hole.
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Oh, yes, yes, yes, yes! I've posted the number for one of the local cab companies ALL OVER the house, put it on his desk, nailed it to three walls, put in the big red binder I keep on the kitchen table. He says he can't drive some days because he's "too dizzy".

He often asks, "How am I going to get to...?" And I say, "I have to work, so please call a cab."
"But will they charge me?"
"Yes, Dad, but only a few dollars because it's only two blocks away."
"Oh, ok. I'll do that..."

Three days later, we do that again. He has NEVER called the cab. He calls me and asks me to call him a cab or an Uber, becuase he knows if I do it will be on my credit card. Meanwhile, he gets a lot of government help and has a lot of money in the bank...and under his mattress. Cheap bastard. He never sent my mom one cent in child support in 18 years either, but always tries to convince me she's the one who is lying. Ugh!
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Two things (although you only said one, lol)...

My FIL won’t ask for anything. He could be thirsty and not ask for water, and when I bring him some he says thank goodness, I was so thirsty! Or the TV shuts off and he sits in front of a blank screen instead of letting me know. Or sits in a room bundled up instead of asking to turn up the heat. Or once accidentally turned his space heater in his room overnight so it was 89 in there! But he doesn’t say anything. So, it requires I constantly anticipate his needs, read his body language, and even the tone of his voice. Sometimes he says no and it means no and sometimes it means yes, but I don’t want to bother you. Yesterday, I told him it was time for a haircut and he said that it was about time, his hair has been bothering him for a week (I am expected to mind-read, lol). Yet he will tell my BIL we keep the house too cold/hit, or is tired of eggs for breakfast or this or that bothers him. I know it’s not personal because he has done the same thing when he visits my BIL.

The other is DH who checks out when he comes home from work. Gets on his computer and doesn’t pay attention to or talk to his dad. Sometimes he can go days without even really looking at him. I am almost always the one who picks up on a problem or a need. He loves his dad but they just don’t communicate. I try and make conversation but when DH does, his dad really perks up. Sometimes his dad tries to make conversation and DH answers with a sentence and then turns on the TV. It makes me sad. I ask him to turn the TV down and carry on the conversation with his dad.
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AKdaughter77 May 2021
Oh you aren’t a Mind Reader?! Lol
Yup I get that very much. My dad waits for me to notice or figure out that he needs/wants something. I’ve developed a seventh sense tuned just to him; my “Spidey sense” has saved his life more than 5 times at least. My bf has lived with us about a year and a half now and he still doesn’t always engage with my dad in a way that works. He’ll speak too softly for my dad to hear when greeting him or not see that he needs help with something because he’s looking at his phone. I told my bf he will never learn to see my dad if he doesn’t really look at him. He takes care of him only if I ask. I think it’s because his grandparents were very self sufficient until into their 90s and he doesn’t see my dad as needing much help as long as he’s up and walking about.
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You hit the nail right on the head. It's all about them. 24/7 365 a year. You think is this ever going to end????? I hear you.
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I don't resent taking care of my mother. I resent the way my sisters treat me when I take care of her.

I only hear from them when they want me to do something or to complain about how I do it. They send group texts and emails complaining about me and lying about me and insulting me, then they don't understand why I am done with all of this. They get angry about things that I had nothing to do with, and take it out on me. I'm tired of being threatened and bullied.
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HereForDad Apr 2021
It is their guilty conscience. I am going through a similar situation. Because you are doing what they should be doing. Pitching in to help... taking even an hour out of their busy lives to give you a break... no they can’t do that. So to try to make themselves feel better, they bash you. I would just ignore them and focus on your Mom. God Bless You.
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The memory loss + anosognosia means that you have to make choices for them but they aren't happy with them because they can't understand why.
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I hate not having anyone to have a conversation with. My husband and I used to watch TV and we'd laugh at something silly, or we'd talk about something on the news, or something silly the dogs did
Now, it's just nothing. I have to tap his arm and have him look at me when I try to talk to him, and it's just a blank stare or a comment that has nothing to do with what I said
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AKdaughter77 May 2021
I hate that blank look from my dad. Or repeating myself multiple times. Or yeah, him answering or talking about something that has nothing to do with what I just said. Sometimes it can be funny, but mostly these days, I don’t laugh much about it.
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The one thing that bothers me the most is that I have been "the responsible" child my entire life. I lived up to the expectations my parents put on me. My siblings did what they wanted, without a care in the world and my parents bailed them out of every horrible situation they got into. I get shame/blame/guilt about everything. Nothing I did or will ever do is good enough for my 87 year old mother. She blames me about things I had nothing to do with that happened 20-30 years ago. Since I'm "the responsible" child I'm supposed to sit in front of her and let her lecture me about her feelings when these events happened and accept the blame without complaining. Just sick of being the scape goat in everything.
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MissGypsy Apr 2021
My situation mirrors yours. I have played the adult role since I was 16 when my father left my mother and moved out of our home. She was a mess and depressed...never got over her love for him as dysfunctional as they both are. For years I gave up so much (relocating out of state and out of country for career moves to be around her.) Now decades later she just lost her independent living situation and is in a SNF with many chronic health conditions. As POA, she now punishes me because I did not take her in (we tried her visiting with us for a week at a time and it ended up in many arguments and her demands on our time.) Every phone conversation ends in an argument as she is jealous of my career successes, good health and great marriage. She is very ungrateful for all that I have sacrificed for her and continues to lie and manipulate and demands more, more, more!
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She accuses me of theft. This most recent one was cookie jars I didn't even know she had. That she probably has in the depths of storage and just remembered she had at all.

Folks say not to take it seriously or to heart, but it's very hard not to when she screams and brings it up. Every. Day.
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How reassuring it is to hear I'm not alone - you describe my life as if you have a direct channel into my living room!
Feeling concerned about home safety and how my father would respond to an emergency situation, I asked "What would you do if I collapsed right now in the middle of the room?"
"Hmm", my father replied, apparently giving the matter serious contemplation,
"I would have to find somewhere else to live".
Yep, I guess that sums up pretty well where his priorities sit!
Although devastating to hear, I couldn't help but have a little chuckle to myself afterwards. Don't we all perceive things differently, after all?
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Without a doubt, what bothers me the most, is that constant all-knowing feeling that my dad will be gone someday.. facing up to the fact that his mind is already gone and I already miss him... but, someday, possibly soon, he will be forever gone :(
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Beautiful.
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For me it’s the unknown timeline. When I took over care my dad was declining fast and diagnosed with dementia, major depression and failure to thrive and hospice was willing to accept him. But since then, I’ve worked hard to turn that around, to get his psych dr to dial in the meds, to get him to gain weight, and he’s doing great. He could live a LONG time now. And that’s great, don’t get me wrong. I don’t mind caring for him, I could easily provide care for 2 years, or even 5 years, if I knew at some fixed future point it would end and I could get back to my life and my family. I think it would be so much easier on my kids too if they had a date. But not knowing how long this will go on, how long we will have to settle for 2 respite weekends a year away as a family (when before we got away for 2 week-long vacations and multiple long weekends every year- does that sound selfish? Sorry if it does, we are a very close family even with 2 teens, which I attribute to all the trips we take, so I really feel the loss of them as my boys get older and a little more distant), how long DH and I will have to pick and choose who goes and who stays home for any of the kids activities... it’s the unknown that produces the most stress for me. And of course it will end at some future point, he will not live forever, and I am so grateful for this time with Dad for both me and my kids. But I just wish I knew how long.
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I get that very much! When I decided to help out with my dad over 10 years ago, it was understood that my dad didn’t want assisted living but wanted to live comfortably at home until his death. He knew that his kidneys were going to fail him at some point but since he had dialysis four yrs prior in 2007 he said he never wanted to be on it again. I thought this would mean that when they failed again, he’d decline quickly and pass and I’d get to living my life again. But 2018 we were told his kidneys were decline and his dr strongly suggested we try a different form of dialysis: Peritoneal dialysis was supposed to be less stress on him and done while he slept at night. We watched the videos, did research online and I asked him if he would be ok trying this out and if he felt he would want to continue living this way. He said he wasn’t ready to die yet and he’d be willing to try it. By the end of that year, double pneumonia took him hard and I was forced into a position of starting him on hemodialysis months before his kidneys would have failed naturally and he was oxygen deprived on multiple occasions for that hospital stay and had to be in isolation and developed strong confusion and distrust of most things medical and even somewhat with me. Longer story shortened...I never anticipated at almost 34, when I agreed to care for him after my mom died that he would live to do dialysis again and I am at almost 44. He thought last year he could get off dialysis and still live (he had been repeatedly told by drs and myself that dialysis would be for the rest of his life, his kidney function wasn’t going to miraculously come back and he was too old & frail to do a transplant); imagine if I was an unscrupulous person, I could have told him ok let’s try you off dialysis for a few weeks. But I sat crushed & explained once again he could not live long without dialysis. We had been told a month at most once off dialysis. Trouble is, he isn’t “living” his life just existing. Watches tv and ignores that his legs are wasting away and that he will lose mobility(he’s an amputee missing his lower right leg already) & be bedridden. PT/OT are harder because he has worsening COPD. But yes, he could live for years yet. I reached my near breaking point back in January and started looking into assisted living. I explained to him why and he seemed to understand but he still relies heavily on me to get him going in any activity. But I’m so done waiting for my life to restart. My brain is fried from doing his thinking plus my own and I have no wish to wait until he’s gone to refresh. Like some of responders here that are in their 60s,70s...I’d take myself out of this life (if that was the only option left!) vs keeping on caring for him another two decades. I have so much to give to the world ( I used to be a massage therapist and want to work in the medical field to better help people worldwide) and I’m tired of wasting it on one person who barely acknowledges that I’m his daughter, uses any excuse not to do something to help himself, psychosomatically gets sick when new changes are presented and waits until I’m screaming and/or crying before realizing I’m not ok. Plus his doctors fail to recognize the burden it is on me being his sole caregiver. They just look to me to keep him alive so they can get paid; they are decent drs but clueless of how hard doing caregiving on my own really is.
Now I’m supposed to have respite care in a couple weeks...if I can keep him healthy enough to get and stay there for 2 weeks. Only the cosmos knows if I’ll get what I need..but I’ve stopped thinking my own wishes to live life are selfish. It’s self preservation. I miss my dad when he’s passed, but I will work to savor and live my life to its fullest possibilities after him.
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Watching those we love suffering endlessly and not knowing how long it will continue to last.

I know that my mom is ready to die and be with my father in heaven.

After watching many others suffer, I hope and pray that I have a quick and easy death like my grandmother had.

It is torturous for a disease to linger for years and years.
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