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I’ve been caregiver for my mom for a few years. She is in very late stage dementia now, and is unable to stand up or walk and is completely incontinent. In the last few months she has also become unable to feed herself, so I do that for her as well. She doesn’t really talk, just uh huh and uh uh sometimes. There is very little of her former self left.
She has been in and out of hospice home care for 2 years (she’s in right now). For a long time I’ve been getting her up each morning and putting her in her wheelchair, where she stays for several hours at the kitchen table until I transfer her back to her bed.
Lately she’s had recurrent sores on her bottom and so I kept her in bed for a few days to try to alleviate that. And during this time I’ve realized how very much easier everything is for me, not having to transfer her, which is hard work. It’s not just the transfer, I don’t have to put pants on her so changing her brief is so much easier too. Even feeding her in the bed is simpler.
So I’d like to hear your thoughts: should I transition her to staying in her bed all the time? Is it selfish of me to want to do that? My thinking has been: how does she benefit from being up and sitting in her chair? She doesn’t really interact with the family around her, and spends a lot of time dozing. (We had recently got her a reclining wheelchair for this reason.) The sores are not helped by the sitting.
Physically, maybe sitting up has kept her using those core muscles a little bit, but how important is that in a person who is not really living a life? As it is, she has kept going much longer than we thought she would: her dementia is at almost the bottom of the scale. She can still hold her head up, which is about it. Although, sometimes she smiles at me, which warms my heart. Her vitals are good, she is physically healthy.
I don’t want to hurry her towards her passing: she’s my mom and I love her. But keeping her in bed feels like a step in that direction.
I will of course discuss this with the hospice nurse. I know from a hospice point of view, Mom’s comfort is the main thing, and we are not trying to prolong her life anymore. And my needs matter too.
Thoughts?

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Brandee here.

I posted earlier that I had no regrets when we kept Mom in the bed.

Mom was an outlier and had alzheimers for 18-20 years. We pushed Mom hard with walking for years. She went from walking/standing to maybe about 5 months of wheelchair/recliner to bedbound. She was bedbound for 18 months before she passed.

Since we had pushed Mom really hard with walking for years. When she could no longer take a step or stand it was time to keep her in bed.

This is one decision I have no regrets on.
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Your mother's condition is similar to my mother's. Mama is 97 now and she is almost totally blind, has moderate dementia, walks with a walker but must also be escorted or she will fall. She can no longer stand straight up and the muscles on her left side have contracted over the past 2 years so that her head and torso bend over.

She has lived with me for the past 7 years and I'm her sole caregiver. I do everything for her except swallow and take steps. She doesn't take any meds other than a thyroid pill and her vitals are excellent.

She has been under hospice care for 18 months.

One thing that you may want to ask Hospice for is an air mattress. Mama was starting to have some (what I call hot spots) beginnings of redness at bony areas from sitting and lying down and the air mattress has all but eliminated them!

I get her up every day even though (as you know) it's physically demanding. She sits in a big comfy chair in the kitchen where she eats and drinks and listens to soft music.

Sitting up helps to keep her lungs clear, gets her out of the bed where she hardly changes position all night. It also keeps her legs moving and helps to maintain her ability to bear her own weight. All of which are good. At this age, if I let her lie in the bed (which she would be fine with), it wouldn't be but a few days and she might not be able to stand any longer.

So I'm trying to keep her from becoming bedridden because it's easier for me and less depressing to have her sitting in the kitchen where I can move around, go out on the porch and still be nearby.

It so difficult to know what to do and I wish you peace.
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CissyR Nov 12, 2024
Thank you southiebella. It sounds like we are in very much the same boat. I wish you peace as well!
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Sitting up in a chair for some of the day is better for her than lying in bed. She uses muscles that would not be used otherwise. The problem is that she is not shifting her weight throughout the day. So, keep her off her bottom while she has sores on her bottom. Also try to turn her from side to side about every 2-3 hours while she - and you - are awake to help those wounds heal.
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MiaMoor Nov 15, 2024
The mother is immobile and unresponsive.
It's safer to look after her in a hospital bed.
At this stage, she does not need to use her muscles.
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CissyR: Be very careful that what may be considered a pressure sore does not ulcerate.
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At first it's hard , adjusting to caring for them at Home when they are in a state of less mobility. For ex., following surgeries, etc..but then , that can become the Routine and the Care person learns to adapt to the process and literally over "waiting on the person". Eventually, mainly from outside influence, or even of our own thoughts, or the patients, it becomes obvious that, as long as their still living, breathing, and vitals are strong, it seems more normal to at least Try to "get back into Life" , which is also strongly encouraged in Care facilities and Hospitals. Life can take on new aspects of offering the best you can, along with limitations..
Should you be troubling yourself over getting mom out of bed everyday , or every other day , and cleaning her up, why "settle" for only rolling her to the main rm. in the house without some aspect offered that she may enjoy ? If you have a patio, and flower gardens, etc., can she spend time w. you there, gaining some fresh air, perhaps while you enjoy your coffee in the morning? Even from the inside, is there a bird feeder and or fountain/bath to observe from a window? These are some of the more peaceful distractions , even we now enjoy at Home and make such a difference in our daily lives and quieter moments. If you live in a suburb, or rural setting, can you leave a window open and allow some fresh air in , in order to keep everyone alert and healthy ? I know all that depends on where you reside and I know how busy you must be, but enjoying the more Natural aspects of our lives, especially for the elderly, but that which has become popular again for All ages is one of the best prescriptions for healing, even if only "healing" over a long Hospice experience in your own Home.
Even while in bed, there are still tasks to be done over her care, over changing her often and cleaning bedsores, etc., so even that solution is a Catch 22.
It was an extra chore for me , among all else I do, but maintaining the bird feeder, bath, and patio plants has been a Godsend for us , and even for the rest of the family , and myself included ., but particularly for our disabled one, always struggling over a fuller recuperation.
I saw in a nicer ASL center where a relative lived , a large acquarium that everyone enjoyed and which held Everyone's attention and can become an incentive for making it out of bed everyday and down the hall. Surprising how much birds and fish , or plants, but all Living things can become the "talk of the town "!
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MiaMoor Nov 15, 2024
The OP's loved one has lost all mobility and is non-responsive.
The OP needs to maintain their loved one's dignity and keep them comfortable, while also ensuring that they look after their own wellbeing. It's easier to do that while the LO is looked after in the hospital bed.
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My mom is experiencing leg ulcers. She is in pain and has a special mattress. The bedsore and constant vascular wounds are painful. I am encouraging her Personal Care Home and Hospice Care to allow my mom to relax in bed. My mom is not mobile either. Comfort is more important than anything else. Sorry we are seeing a sad transition.
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SissyR, so sorry that your mother has declined so much, and you are having to watch her dissappear from the inside-out, so to speak. It takes a LOT of energy to maintain a sitting upright position. Currently the best thing is to have your Mom in a hospital bed and put things in the room that she might enjoy. She can hopefully look out a window and see birds at a feeder. If you are concerned she would be isolated, you can put the hospital bed in the living room or den. Or you can move a comfy chair and tv into the bedroom, so you can spend time with her in there. You may find she is sleeping less and slightly more responsive to you when she doesn't need to exert so much of her energy to sit up. You can change her position often in bed. The main thing now is comfort. If she doesn't care about wearing pants, let her be in her diaper. There's also shorts with snaps on each leg, which you can roll her into when you do her morning clean up. There are snap shirts too. SO much easier. Dyeek is the brand on Amazon. Comes in a variety of sizes & colors. And please have a talk with Hospice about what happens when your Mom can no longer eat or drink safely. A feeding tube can needlessly prolong things when she has become a shell of her former self. God bless you for taking care of your Mom.
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Once she becomes bed bound life will deteriorate quickly. She will view life as hopeless. Nobody wants that. My advice for what’s it worth. Keep her mobil as long as possible.
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Robert525 Nov 8, 2024
This is my philosophy regarding my wife. Her condition is similar but I choose to transition her between bed, wheelchair and recliner and do more laundry due to the incontinence. I think it keeps her healthier and more engaged. I believe she will let me know when it is time to be bed bound which will most likely accelerate her decline.
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I know that bed sheets are changed one side at a time with someone in it. Roll the person one one side, then roll the used sheet toward the person. Place the clean sheet lengthwise halfway on the empty side, then roll the person onto the clean sheet. Unfold the sheet onto the other side and roll the person to the middle. Finally, tuck all sheet sides to the bed with the person in the middle of the bed. That’s it!
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When Mom could no longer stand and when Mom could no longer take a step I made the decision to keep her in bed. I also enrolled Mom in hospice at that time.

I have no regrets. We had pushed Mom hard for years. It was time.

It is easier and safer for everybody to reposition Mom every 2 hours in bed.

Mom's caregivers propped her up to eat (which was limited by this time anyway.)
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Thank you everyone for such supportive and informative answers! I really do appreciate this forum and all of your advice.

I'll try to answer some concerns that were mentioned: she does have a good hospital bed with an alternating air mattress, as well as heel protectors for her feet. And I have learned to change the sheets with her on the bed. I learned it from YouTube, plus advice from the aides that come weekly. At first it was daunting, but it can be done and I did it. I just don't do it any more often than absolutely necessary. Those pads help keep things fairly fresh.

I will talk to the hospice nurse tomorrow, but all of you have convinced me that it is okay to keep her in bed. Most importantly, she seems content and isn't restless.
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Cissy, so glad you asked this question because I am going through this stage with my mom as well. The responses here are very informative and most likely based on real experiences. I understand about the feelings you are struggling with, but I have learned that it is part of the journey. Your mom is blessed to have you. Trust yourself with the decisions you make.
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Your mom essentially is dying now and I cannot see the benefit to being propped up on that sore bottom for any amount of time at all.
I would discuss this now with your hospice team.
I am so sorry. This slow dying process is excruciating.
Hospice should be getting the wound care team in now, as well.
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My late husband who was completely bedridden for the last 22 months of his life and under hospice care stayed in his bed all day except when the aide came in the morning to put him on the bedside commode to poop. And it was then that I would change his sheets. However, towards the end of his life where he wasn't getting out of bed for any reason as he was "actively" dying, the aides would change his sheets after they were done bathing him while he was still in the hospital bed, as there is a trick in doing just that.
So the key here is to make sure that hospice is supplying a hospital bed so that your mom can still sit up to eat or watch TV, and can be adjusted for her comfort.
I guess my late husband was fortunate that he never got any bedsores as he literally stayed on his back the entire time he was bedridden, with just the simple mattress that came with the hospital bed.
You do what is best you and make sure that hospice is keeping your mom as comfortable as possible.
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I’d likely keep her in bed with the appropriate mattress and precautions in place. Changing sheets and bed pad are quite doable once you’ve been shown how by hospice nurse or aide. Make sure they’re helping with bedsores and keep turning her every few hours. My dad’s hospice agency had a list of private workers they were familiar with, I hired several of them to give me some rest, they were excellent help. Look into this, as you shouldn’t try to keep up this level of caregiving on your own. This is the natural progression mom is in, her comfort is all you’re looking out for. Be sure to watch for signs of slowing appetite, it may not be far off. I wish you both peace in such a sad time.
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Ask hospice for a hospital bed with an alternating air mattress to help more bedsores .
Have nurse for wound care also.

The bed sheets can be changed with her in bed. The hospice nurse or aide can show you how . Or you can YouTube it.

The advantage to getting her up for a bit is it may help prevent pneumonia , although that is very common at this stage of dementia anyway . But if it’s too difficult for you , at this point I think leaving her in bed is fine. You need to take care that you don’t get injured lifting her . In bed she needs Turning every 2 hours.

As already said the heel pads and gel cushion for the wheelchair are needed.
Perhaps elbow pads as well. It sounds as if getting her up may not be for much longer anyway , if at all .
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I'm so sorry you are both going through this terrible ordeal. If mom stays bedbound, she'd have to be moved every 2 hours to prevent bedsores. You'd need waffle boots for her feet, because the heels are very prone to developing bedsores. As far as changing the sheets go, that can be done while she's in bed or you can transfer mom to the wheelchair for awhile. You'd need to get a gel cushion for the seat of the wheelchair, however, to prevent further sores. Hospice may be able to recommend a good one.

For the sores that do exist, Medicare pays for home health to come in to the home to treat them. Even while mom is on hospice. Only certain nurses do wound care, which is what a bedsore is.

Speak to hospice about their recommendations. Yes, your life is very important too. Being bedbound at this stage of dementia is a common thing. It's not selfish of you to start thinking along those lines at all. If you think you can no longer handle mom alone at home, it's no sign of weakness to hire help or to place mom in Skilled Nursing either.

Wishing you the best of luck with a difficult situation.
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FixItPhyl Nov 4, 2024
This answer was very helpful, as many of us visiting this forum are dealing with this, as caregivers. It is hard to judge what to do at this stage of dementia, but I do believe that the caregiver has to be the one to come to terms with what she/he can manage without getting ill themselves. All of these answers give details for making thoses judgments. Thank you all.
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You would need to get her up enough to prevent bedsores and change sheets
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JanPeck123 Nov 8, 2024
If a person is cleaned, changed and repositioned often in bed, bedsores the Mom has now will heal and further bedsores should be prevented.
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